(1002) The Front Page: Volume 2 Issue 10: Last Revision: 12/20/07

News and Commentaries on Mexican Numismatics

 

Let me be the first to wish you a Happy Halloween! No, make that Veterans Day. Oops, I missed that one! Well how about a Happy Thanksgiving. No, its way to late for that holiday too. Also missed Hanukkah as well. I guess all that's left is wish you a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.

 

Do you get the picture? The old men, boys, and the one lady here at Mexican Coin Magic have been busier than a cat in a sand box since the last issue. Enough spreading cheer among our peers, let's get down to business.  And believe me 2007 has been a busy year for Mexican Numismatics.

 

Normally I won't allow an issue of Mexican Coin Magic be posted to the Internet until I believe it is finished, even with all of its hickys and errors from the lack of good proof readers. But I can't put off posting Issue #10 until it's completed any longer. I've had the flu since the Houston Money Show, and I have to travel north to D/FW for Christmas and New Year's celebrations, or get a divorce, which I can little afford. So it is now or wait until the middle of January 2008. I promise that sometime in  January we will post a corrected and complete version of Issue #10 of Mexican Coin Magic, if possible.    

Auction News from The Fall of 2007

 

The Fall 2007 Auction season got into full bloom in early September. The season began in Mexico City on September 6th and 7th with a great sale by Duane Douglas. The action then moved to Long Beach where we there were three good to great sales containing Mexican material. The first was the Goldberg’s Pre-Long Beach Sale#42 on September 24th. Next was the Ponterio & Associates Sale#143 on the 25th and 26th. And the last public sale was the Heritage Sale#441 on the 27th and 28th. Heritage also had another internet/mail bid sale (number 9441) that closed on October 1st with a large group of lower priced Mexican coins. All four of these auctions had some nice to spectacular Mexican material.

 

But wait, the Fall 2007 Auction Season wasn’t over yet! Several new auction houses with Mexican material are now open for business. The first is the brainchild of old-time collector Joe Spira and his son that is now open for business; their first internet/mail bid auction closed in mid-October. Joe and his son are based in Oregon and they can be reached at joe@mexrepguy.com or their website is www.mexrepguy.com. Another west coast resident, well respected coin dealer Clark Smith, has now started his own auction company, you can go to his website by clicking here: www.wnauctions.com. I hear, through the Mexican Grapevine, that a third Mexican Numismatic auctioneer, Claudio Verrey, is now operating in Mexico City and has completed his inaugural sale. I’m trying to secure a copy of his first auction catalog before I make any assessment of the quality of the coins found there. 

 

Down south we find Alberto Hidalgo hard at work on his October auction and finally in November Jim Elmen, at World-Wide Coins of California, shows up again with a few great Mexican coins. To say the Fall 2007 Auction Season was a good for Mexican Numismatics would be an understatement, because all in all it was GREAT!

 

The prices realized in these auctions showed that beyond any doubt the upward spiral for prices being paid for good Mexican Republic Material continues. I personally talked to several of the auctioneers and they agreed with my assessment that the substantial increase in prices in Mexican Republic Coins is bringing out material that has been unseen for decades, if ever. Additionally there were a couple of nice Mexican Republic Coins making the circuit to collectors and dealers on the bourse floor at Long Beach again including a couple of extremely rare Mexican Republic gold coins. Record public auction prices fell by the wayside in many denominations of Mexican coins. Again, let me repeat a fact; the Eliasberg Sale of 2005 pricing for good Mexican Coins was not an anomaly, but only the beginning of a long overdue upward surge in prices across the board for all categories and series of Mexican Coins and it hasn’t ended yet! 

 

The Goldberg’s Sale#42

While the Mexican material was sparse (only 23 lots) in this sale there were a couple of notable coins. Two spectacular Chihuahua CA 1843 RG silver ¼ Reales made an appearance in this sale. Yes, you that correctly, both were graded by NGC; Lot#506 (NGC-MS62) sold to a Windy City collector over the Internet for $3,600 and the second, Lot#507 (NGC-AU58) sold for $2,700. Two other notable Mexican coins were seen in this sale: Lot#510 a 1910 Horse Peso graded (NGC-MS63) and Lot#516 an excessively rare Zongolica bronze Royalist 1812 8 Reales graded (NGC-VF-35) that sold for only $23,000 on a $30,000 to $40,000 estimate.

 

While these coins are very noteworthy, the big noise at Goldberg’s occurred when they announced the sale of The Millennia Collection in their May 24-28 2008 Long Beach Sale. The Mexican material in this sale is simply unbelievable, and I’m sure the prices realized will reach hysterical proportions.     

 

The general consensus, among many collectors today is that the Goldberg's Sale of  The Millennia Collection will set the new Standard for all foreign coins for the future. Some collectors have predicted the total sales figure for this collection will reach astronomical proportions nearing those of the Norweb or Eliasberg collections. But only time will tell.   

 

Final Sale of the World’s Greatest Cap & Ray 8 Reales Collection!

The Santa Clara Collection is no more! The Ponterio Clan finished up the sale of this old-time Republican 8 Reales collection on September 25th 2007 and the last sale was a real blockbuster! The prices realized for this collection broke all past public sales records for the Cap & Ray 8 Real Series.

While some the coins were retreads from the great JB Parker Collection Sale in 1998, many of the coins in this collection had never been seen at public auction before. The last four mints (Mexico City, Oaxaca, San Luis Potosi and Zacatecas) represented in this collection were the highlights of the collection and showed where the owner’s true colors resided.  For example: One of three reported Oaxaca @ 1858 AE (the “A” inside the “O”) 8 Reales and surely the finest known was hammered down for $46,000 after spirited bidding on an estimate of $20,000 to $30,000. A second example, the ex JB Parker Zacatecas ZS 1870 YH, also sold for $46,000, this coin was originally purchased by the collector for $28,600 in the Parker Sale. As a side note: both of these coins were purchased by Houston Texas coin dealer Jed Crump for an anonymous client.

While record prices abounded, there were still many bargains to be had, I know because I bought a few. The last auction of this collection was well attended; many collectors and dealers from the US and Mexico attended along with some good book prices. Several of the Mexicans bought heavily; some said they were repatriating coins lost to gringos many years ago.

This sale could well be the classic auction for Cap & Ray 8 Reales for years to come. Rumor has it that Rick Ponterio may do a reprint of all three sales in a special edition book for purchasers of the coins. Good move Rick, but don’t limit the distribution of the book to the purchasers only because this will become the next classic piece of work much like the Henry Christensen 1958 book of his sale was … and still is.

The Heritage Sale#441

The Mexican coins started with Lot#51740, a Philip IV 8 Real cob and ended with Lot#51887, Durango 1963 gold medal. In between these two lots we saw several spectacular coins, some only beautiful and others that were extreme rarities. 

The Fall 2007 Mexico City Auctions

While looking at what is happening on the Mexican Numismatic scene we must not forget the fall auction season in Mexico. There was a much larger selection of nice and rare Mexican coins and paper money found in the two old-line auctioneers (Duane Douglas and Alberto Hidalgo) than usual. I can’t comment on the first Claudio Verrey auction until I have had time to study a copy of his catalog. Amazingly, prices for good material seems to be increasing at higher rate in Mexico than here in the US. Many of the good coins in the Douglas and Hidalgo auctions reached much higher than expected prices and several new buyers were noted in both auctions.

The prices paid for higher quality and rarer coins sold in the fall auction season in Mexico gave an indication that prices seem to be climbing at a faster and higher rate than those that were in the US auctions.

This has caused some concern for dealers and collectors in the United Sates as material that usually travels north of the border from these sales didn't happen as much this fall.

Is this the first sign of a changing trend, or is a single occurrence? This is another of those things that only time will tell. Maybe the Mexican collectors are really tired of all of their country's better coins reside in the US.

World-Wide Coins of California Sale

 

While there were only seven lots in this sale with Mexican material two lots fit into the great category. The first was Lot#282 an extremely rare Guadalajara GA 1837 JG 8 Escudo graded Extra Fine+ that saw a final bid of $13,000 on an estimate of only $3,000. The next coin was Lot#283, a well struck, and lustrous GA 1845 JG 8 Real that Elmen said was superior to the JB Parker specimen that sold for $1,900 on a $1,250 estimate.    

 

Update: The San Antonio Mexican Coin Club

As we stated in Issue 9, a new club devoted to Mexican Numismatics has been started in San Antonio Texas. A contingent of collectors from the Rio Grande Valley attended the Thursday August 30th, 2007 at the Jacala Mexican Restaurant and MCM’s own Dave Busse made a great presentation on the coinage of the Mexican Emperor Maximilian. A second presentation by San Antonio’s elder Mexican Numismatist, Mr. Medina was about the Mexican Eagles, a World War II group of Mexican pilots and their script that trained at San Antonio during the war. A great time was time was had by all of the attendees and more than a few nice Mexican coins changed hands before the night was over.

 

As we stated before this new club is the brainchild of Bill Sigl and Fernando Razo and it meets every fifth Thursday night in San Antonio at a local restaurant. There was a meeting was held on Thursday November 29th, 2007 (7:00 PM) and yours truly couldn't attend because of a conflict with the Houston Money Show. The next meeting will be held on January 31, 2008 and you can get more information by contacting Fernando at fcrazo@yahoo.com.

 

The Continuing Saga…

In our last issue of Mexican Coin Magic we reported about the many problems plaguing Internet coins sales with contemporary counterfeits, altered date, and just outright fake Mexican Coins being sold with no mention of what they were. And how mainline auction houses like Stack’s (January 2007 Coin Galleries Sale) too are being bamboozled by sellers of this crap. We also suggested that eBay should look at what was going on in their backyard.

Well it turns out we weren’t the only ones complaining because eBay is starting to react, even if they aren’t addressing the Mexican Coin problem at this time. They have announced new selling procedures that aren’t making everyone happy. If you buy, or sell on eBay you should check out these news rules.

Maybe, sometime in the future after the dust settles, eBay will do something about the counterfeit and fake Mexican coins being created in China and the Far East if enough people complain?  

The Houston Money Show 2008

We attended two Houston Money Shows in 2007; one in January and the latest one during the first weekend of December. The first was only an okay show, the last was a great show. At one time the Houston Money Show was an important national show, but over the past few years it has become just a so-so regional show. The Houston Money Show started sliding into obscurity because of the 911 Disaster. The New York International Show (NYINC) had always been held during early December each year until 911. Then because the NYINC show's home, the World Trade Center, was no more the NYINC was moved to January.

The first quarter of the year have been busy international coin show months in the USA for years; the Florida FUN Show in January, Long Beach, generally in February, and the Chicago (CICS) in March.. Once NYINC plunked down into January the US international coin show circuit really became crowded during the first part of the year. The Houston Money Show became lost as far as being a national or international show. Where in the past there had been good public auctions at the show, they disappeared. There always seemed to be a large crowd at the old location, The Adam's Mark Hotel. But at the new location, Houston's Brown Convention Center, people seemed to get lost in the giant enclosure, and dealer booths filled up less than half of the allocated space.

Now, with the move to early December, the Houston Money Show has a chance to become a first-rate international coin show, or at least so for Latin American and Mexican Numismatic World. Heritage must see something in Houston in December because they had a public auction there for the first time. According to the Heritage Website it was a successful one too. We saw many dealers at the December show who didn't attend the show in January. All of them that I talked to said they would be back next year.

Houston in December has a lot going for it; good weather, great shopping, wonderful food, great medical facilities, and an international airport that has direct flights to most of Latin America. This is what Latin American collectors and dealers are looking for. If the Houston Coin Club and the dealers that attend this show get on the bandwagon this show could eventually eclipse Long Beach in May as the greatest show on earth for Mexican and Latin American Numismatics. But of course this is only one man's opinion!

Dave and I sighted up for our booth at the 2008 Houston Money Show before we left town, look forward to seeing you there next year.               

The Pradeau Book Translations

Last issue we announced the completion of the English translation of Pradeau’s Volume III of Historia Numismatica De Mexico: 1823 to 1950. We are now well into the translation of Volume II and have hopefully found another source to translate Volume I.            

The problems we found while reading the translations of Volume III are much greater than we first thought. Dr Pradeau originally wrote the text for all three volumes in English and they were then translated into Spanish. It seems that these Spanish translations while good, were not great. Our little wordsmith, Dave Busse, finally yelled, “calf-rope” during early November and we have finally made a deal with a Mexico City professional translator to finish up the revisions of all three volumes.  

We are now getting quotes from printers and publishers, here and in Mexico, for a limited edition of 200 printed books, 24 will be leather bound and the remaining will have cloth covers without dust covers as we want to maintain the look of the originals. We are still undecided about how to handle the plates; do we make another book or plate the coins in one of the three volumes? If you have any suggestions we would love to hear from you. Keep in mind the price, because if we go to another book it will cost more. Currently our goal is still to have the books available for sale by Christmas of 2008, so you can get your significant other to buy you a present that you really want.     

One of our readers also suggested that we offer the translations on CDs, what do you think?

Mexican Coin Magic Now Available in Spanish

Lately, since we installed our new statistics package in August 2007, we have been seeing about 500 new visitors at Mexican Coin Magic every month. While studying the statistics from this new package I noted that we received over 125 new visitors from Mexico and several other Latin American countries during the months of August and September. This amazed me; we have had less than 100 total visitors from these countries in the past two years.

I wondered what had happened to make this drastic of a change? Long story, short version: Someone had taken the time to convert this English internet publication into Spanish. I don't know who did it, nor exactly how they did it, but it was done shortly after Issue 7 was posted.

I would like to thank whoever did it for doing it. At this time I can tell you it was done by some internet provider in Cuernavaca Mexico. And if you would like to know how to find the Spanish version of Mexican Coin Magic, contact me at Mexcoinmagic@aol.com and I will give you an address to reach it. 

New Mexican Coin Magic Readers and Contributors

We have a batch of new reader-collectors of our little internet magazine since we last reported, some from as far away as Germany, or as near as Ponca City Oklahoma, and several from Mexico and other parts of Latin America. Two of these new guys have already pinned articles for Mexican Coin Magic. Give a rousing welcome aboard to Chris Bolton and Karl Herzog. Chris is a familiar sight on the Mexico City Numismatic scene who is originally from England and Karl is the grandson of a noted old Oklahoma coin dealer. Chris has shared his insights into Benjamin Betts, author of The Mexican Imperial Coinage in (1005c) Mexican Numismatic Writers and Karl gives us his opinions and experiences with third party grading in (1007c) The Soap Box: Third Party Grading of Republic 8 Reales – Which Service Is Better?  Thanks guys, your help is greatly appreciated. One last thought: Isn’t time for you to get off your duff and write something too?

    

Another Reader Suggests…

You are now reading the 10th issue of Mexican Coin Magic; even though some supposed we would fold up our tents after only a few issues and disappear into the darkness. While it is expensive, and difficult to maintain all ten issues on our website, we believe it has been a necessity in the past to allow new readers to get an overall idea of what we are made from and what we are doing. Our reader suggested that we offer all ten issues of Mexican Coin Magic on CDs. This may not be practical in the future, it will take multiple CDs, but it can be accomplished today. If you would like to have a CD with the first ten issues of Mexican Coin Magic on it contact us, but remember you will have to use your internet browser to use it because Mexican Coin Magic, in its final form is written in Microsoft FrontPage®. The price is only $25 plus postage, for a wealth of information … unavailable anywhere else.    

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